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The Paula Gordon Show |
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Without justice, the solid authority which Jason Berry
and Gerald Renner believe is essential in every institution and society
crumbles. In Vows of Silence: The Abuse of Power in the Papacy
of John Paul II, they report on effects of secrecy which have
denied justice and rocked the Church to its very foundations. Renner and
Berry seek a renaissance of Catholicism in their challenge to rigid and
secretive hierarchical realities in their Church. |
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Conversation 1 Jason Berry and Gerald Renner tell Paula Gordon and Bill Russell how being practicing Roman Catholics affects their work as investigative reporters writing about problems inside the Catholic Church. |
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Conversation 2 Mr. Berry compares democratic systems to how the Vatican, a monarchy, functions. He describes a Cardinal’s “Pontifical Vow” not to allow scandalous information to become public and the effects of the logic of secrecy. Mr. Renner notes his personal experience as a spokesperson for the U.S. Catholic Bishops. He says the 2002 Boston “Globe” exposé showed how secrecy allowed cavalier treatment of victims and solicitous attitudes toward abusers. Mr. Berry compares the prosecution of pedophiles under different legal systems, certain that pedophilia is a universal problem. Mr. Renner and Mr. Berry both call for honesty. 11:48
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Conversation 3 A bishop’s only constituent is the Pope, Mr. Renner says, and calls for a separation of powers within the Church. Mr. Berry expands, using the case of Father Maciel, the head of the Legion of Christ, as a prime example of how secrecy breeds abuse. The Boston “Globe” exposé allowed rank and file church members to demand the truth as well as changes, Mr. Berry remembers. Vatican spokespeople are reported saying that it’s better for individual wrongs to go unchecked than to risk people losing their faith. The psychodynamics of secrecy in all institutions are explored. 9:42
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Conversation 4 Mr. Renner describes the reforms of the Second Vatican Council and unresolved conflicts over where decisions should be made. Asserting their respect for John Paul II, Mr. Berry and Mr. Renner explain why they believe the Pope has been reactionary in allowing freedom of conscience to become a baseline in the way the Church functions. They expand with examples. Sexual segregation is the root of the problem, Mr. Renner and Mr. Berry believe, and explain why. Father Tom Doyle’s saga is told. The losers of Vatican II have regained power say Mr. Berry and Mr. Renner, who call for justice as well as authority. Celibacy is a blind spot in Pope John Paul II’s world view, they say. 9:50
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Conversation 5 Mr. Berry gives a broad sense of the state of the Roman Catholic church in the world. The possibility of a rejuvenated Church under a visionary Pope is proposed. Celibacy is a law, not a dogma, Mr. Berry points out in discussing celibacy requirements and options. A renaissance of Catholicism is envisioned, founded on conversations about a whole range of issues about which the Pope now forbids discussion. Pope John Paul is considered in the light of history. Lay people, not the next Pope, are the key to the future, Mr. Berry proposes. 12:02
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Conversation 6 The high attrition rate of heterosexual men leaving the priesthood to marry corresponds to an escalation in priests who are homosexual, Mr. Berry says, pointing to the difficulty the Church has attracting stable, heterosexual men in the West. The other untold story in the Church is priests attracted to women, Mr. Renner concludes, calling for further studies. 4:31
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Acknowledgements Standing up to injustice is always laudable. We thank Jason Berry and Gerald Renner for breaking the silence on behalf of those who have had no voice, for being courageous where others have faltered and for being willing to speak lovingly from within a tradition they are eager to cleanse. |
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